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The Threshold's avatar

If, as Steiner suggests, human consciousness is the stage where percept and concept unite, then our current agentics are really just a stage with no actors only echoes of our own past data.

What concerns me most in your piece is the 'Machine Karma' aspect. We are giving agency to tools that have no 'Ego' or 'I' to carry the responsibility. We’re essentially building a karmic debt for ourselves by proxy. It reinforces my fear that 'Cold AI' is just a way for us to avoid the 'real work' of moral thinking. Whether it’s Steiner’s 'Universal Thinking' or just basic human empathy, we’re trading a living ocean for a sterile script. Thank you for the deep read

Fred Malherbe's avatar

I definitely agree with your second statement. Rudolf Steiner is actually the most rigorous thinker I've come across at ruthlessly excluding all "purposes" from nature. He says purposes and intentions only arise from human beings.

Have you heard of Stafford Beer, the business systems analyst? He had a dictum I like, "The purpose of a system is what it does." It sounds like you would agree.

Nearly all biologists ascribe "purposes" to particular structures, whether at the anatomical or biochemical level. Yet they are supposed to be good Darwinists, believing in blind watchmakers.

The term "emergence" I'm much less sure about. I modelled the evolution of ecosystems back in the 1970s and I clearly saw ecosystem selection "emerge" -- individual creatures were acting to grow the overall system biomass, even when this was at personal cost to them.

When I looked closer, it was obvious what was happening. I called it "positivity". I saw it most clearly when there was a "big predator" that was knocking the whole system.

Any creature that had a negative effect on the big predator, even at cost to itself, would help grow the whole system, would have a positive effect on many other species.

Any creature that then helped the one fighting back, evolved a trait that supported it, was thus automatically helping itself, on the second turn of the population matrix.

Even direct competitors would start cooperating when they faced a mutual existential threat, purely automatically. "My enemy's enemy is my friend" is a very powerful dynamic. This was enough to see ecosystem selection "emerge".

Even at individual cost to themselves, it was worth these creatures' while to fight the "big predator". Obviously, humans are the "big predator" in the global ecosystem, threatening all species as we encroach on and destroy their habitats. We must be careful that all the other species don't automatically band up against us.

My thought experiment was the Amazon rain forest -- any creature that helps dengue and malaria mosquitoes to thrive, will help the overall system by inhibiting human activity like logging. Any creatures that evolve traits that support the mosquitoes, will be helping themselves after two turns of the matrix.

The Mandelbrot set "emerges" from a simple equation and goes on forever. I'm honestly not sure that the term "emergence" actually explains anything, although it does give a name to a process we see. I often literally see a lot of hand-waving going on when people talk about "emergence".

Thanks for the comment!

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